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returntothepit >> discuss >> Arrrr PIRATE METAL by Arrrr on Oct 14,2009 8:33pm
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toggletoggle post by i_am_not_me   at Oct 14,2009 8:42pm
Arrr, Running Wild called, they want their gimmick back.



toggletoggle post by Arrrr at Oct 14,2009 11:21pm
arrrrrrr but ye dont know REAL PIRATE METAL



ARrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr



toggletoggle post by sli sli sli at Oct 15,2009 12:57am
wow, this is the first time ive ever seen this, ever



toggletoggle post by sli sli sli at Oct 15,2009 1:02am
P.S. im pretty sure REAL PIRATES would be all about beating up chicks, as opposed to playing benefit shows against domestic violence.

P.P.S. for an australian your singer sure sounds alot like the guy in the spongebob squarepants themesong, just sayin'



toggletoggle post by joeycobra  at Oct 15,2009 1:21am
there already was a scurvy....and they ruled.


and Swashbuckle are better.



toggletoggle post by Pires at Oct 15,2009 1:31am
joeycobra said[orig][quote]
there already was a scurvy....and they ruled.


and Swashbuckle are better.


so this isn't the same scurvy that brought us the hit song "walk the plank"?!? Fuck these imposters then!



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Oct 15,2009 1:34pm
NO THANKS, MATEY



toggletoggle post by BSV at Oct 15,2009 1:55pm
pirate metal is fucking gay. the majority of the posers playing it can't even wake up on time to go fishing, let alone have the stomach for a day on the salt water.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 15,2009 1:56pm
if you're going to the nov 3rd show with Vreid, Belphegor and the like, be prepared to see mass amounts of kids rocking out to Alestorm - that newer Scottish Folk/Pirate metal band.
When Swashbuckle played last year, THAT WAS A JOKE



toggletoggle post by BSV at Oct 15,2009 2:10pm
all set with that show. folk metal is for kids who are frightened by black metal. some is decent but overall when i hear it, i'd rather just listen to nokturnal mortem.

it's like pizza party thrash is for kids who are intimidated by sodom and nifelheim while folk metal is for kids who are intimidated by burzum and profanatica.

KNOW YOUR ROOTS IS DER LAW



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Oct 15,2009 2:12pm
Blackguard sucked too.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 15,2009 2:15pm
I'm not big on the direction folk metal is going. This pirate metal shit is a joke too.
The best folk bands were always the ones that used it sparingly, or at least pull it off correctly. Too many jig-type drinking bands these days. Growing trend.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Oct 15,2009 2:19pm
I just figure Sturgeon's Law applies like with anything else: 90% of any given thing is crap.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 15,2009 2:20pm
DestroyYouAlot said[orig][quote]
I just figure Sturgeon's Law applies like with anything else: 90% of any given thing is crap.

Hah, true. How is your actual folk thing going anyway?



toggletoggle post by BSV at Oct 15,2009 2:20pm
Primordial has it down, granted they started over 20 years ago.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 15,2009 2:24pm
Again, I know most people disagree with me, but this is the reason why I can't stand any Ensiferum after the self-titled. It's too flashy and corny. Not knocking Jari's musicianship on Iron and Wintersun, but his style is so cheesy.
Even Ensiferum's S/T has its cheesy moments, but some of the folkier parts are great.

For folk-type stuff, I find myself listening to Neun Welten all the time. Although not exactly metal, they're metal musicians and you can hear the influence behind their folk music. Awesome German band.



toggletoggle post by dontlivefastjustdie at Oct 15,2009 2:29pm
could never get into folk metal. just sounds dumb to me



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 15,2009 2:31pm
I'm waiting for American Folk Metal - blastbeats and black metal screams, then banjo and fiddle duels.
Before someone says Devin in the Kitchen, yea - no shit. But no banjo = fail.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Oct 15,2009 2:47pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
I'm waiting for American Folk Metal - blastbeats and black metal screams, then banjo and fiddle duels.
Before someone says Devin in the Kitchen, yea - no shit. But no banjo = fail.


Tsk tsk tsk, Varg wouldn't approve. LOL



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 15,2009 2:50pm
Banjo is a sick instrument.
Takes some skill to play it too.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Oct 15,2009 3:01pm
buttpirate metal



toggletoggle post by spaldino at Oct 15,2009 4:06pm
i fucking miss The Tori. sweet pirate metal band that has been forgotten :(



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Oct 15,2009 4:09pm
BSV said[orig][quote]
folk metal is for kids who are frightened by black metal.


Menhir, Heol Telwen... they beg to differ.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 15,2009 4:10pm
Menhir = greatest band no one knows about



toggletoggle post by MikeOv at Oct 15,2009 4:12pm
I don't get why Heol Telwen doesn't get more play. They slaughter.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 15,2009 4:13pm
It's not flashy enough.



toggletoggle post by cav nli at Oct 15,2009 5:37pm
spaldino said[orig][quote]
i fucking miss The Tori. sweet pirate metal band that has been forgotten :(


The Tori! i remember them. saw em once at the met. awesome show! pretty sure they were an opener too.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Oct 15,2009 5:39pm
needs more zazzzzz



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Oct 15,2009 5:43pm
BSV said[orig][quote]
all set with that show. folk metal is for kids who are frightened by black metal. some is decent but overall when i hear it, i'd rather just listen to nokturnal mortem.

it's like pizza party thrash is for kids who are intimidated by sodom and nifelheim while folk metal is for kids who are intimidated by burzum and profanatica.

KNOW YOUR ROOTS IS DER LAW


Kiss me, you fool.

In all seriousness, metal is desperately in need of a pogrom.



toggletoggle post by PANT3RA4EVA at Oct 15,2009 7:44pm
Hells ya nillaz mix it up IT ALL GOOD
Got gangsta metal
Got pirate metal
Got criminal metal

Whats next I CANT WAIT



toggletoggle post by Snowden at Oct 15,2009 8:30pm
BSV said[orig][quote]
it's like pizza party thrash is for kids who are intimidated by sodom and nifelheim while folk metal is for kids who are intimidated by burzum and profanatica.


But pizza thrash sounds kind of like Sodom and Nifelheim, while folk metal doesn't sound anything like Burzum or Profanatica? I feel like this zinger should've read "Southern Lord" instead of "folk metal."


Anyhow, I think the IDEA of "pirate metal" is cool because there are a ton of old-ass nautical songs bands could draw on the way some Scandinavian bands drew on their old folk songs. Not real big on the cartoonish way it always seems to turn out though.



toggletoggle post by Snowden at Oct 15,2009 8:44pm edited Oct 15,2009 8:47pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
I'm waiting for American Folk Metal - blastbeats and black metal screams, then banjo and fiddle duels.
Before someone says Devin in the Kitchen, yea - no shit. But no banjo = fail.


If you're thinking of hectic bluegrass banjo, that's not really a folk style of playing - it was more or less invented (based on earlier styles) in the 40s. Real folk banjo (clawhammer, 2- and 3- finger picking) is a lot less bombastic. I actually think about what "North American folk metal" would sound like a lot (I spend more time playing banjo/mandolin than heavy metal now that I live in Western Mass.) and it's tough because so many of the actual melodies are just so chipper and major key sounding compared to Irish and especially Norwegian folk music. And the stuff that sounds dark tends to be more drone-y and modal - a lot of North American folk music didn't even have chords until it started to become commercialized in the 20s-30s.

I mean, I'm sure someone will figure it out and it'll sound interesting, but it seems like a much trickier fit than Euro folk music.


PS like on that Forteresse record, the fiddle samples sound kind of cool but still totally disconnected from the actual songs.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Oct 15,2009 8:46pm
Pirate metal = fag magnet



toggletoggle post by spaldino at Oct 15,2009 9:16pm
cav%20nli said[orig][quote]
spaldino said[orig][quote]
i fucking miss The Tori. sweet pirate metal band that has been forgotten :(


The Tori! i remember them. saw em once at the met. awesome show! pretty sure they were an opener too.


they were... for god forbid/lamb of god. they raped. instrumental band with a pirate theme. fucking awesome show.



toggletoggle post by JimboarNLI at Oct 15,2009 9:27pm
Snowden said[orig][quote]
lot of North American folk music didn't even have chords until it started to become commercialized in the 20s-30s.


... Yea, then triplets came in the 30s and shortly after, accents in the 40s



toggletoggle post by Lamp  at Oct 15,2009 9:51pm edited Oct 15,2009 9:51pm
Jonee Earthquake Band

This thread needs a mention of Jonee Earthquake Band.



toggletoggle post by aril at Oct 15,2009 10:55pm
Snowden said[orig][quote]
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]

I mean, I'm sure someone will figure it out and it'll sound interesting, but it seems like a much trickier fit than Euro folk music.


definitely. It would be something unique to consider.



toggletoggle post by BSV at Oct 16,2009 1:45am
Snowden said[orig][quote]

But pizza thrash sounds kind of like Sodom and Nifelheim, while folk metal doesn't sound anything like Burzum or Profanatica? I feel like this zinger should've read "Southern Lord" instead of "folk metal."


too me I hear more DRI, and cheap rehashed riffs spurred by grim reaper and whiplash-these riffs aren't played with conviction either just nostalgic hype heard from ripped mp3 files.

you can't tell me that the average folk metal listener appreciates the early black metal style. raw production and praise of satan is something that intimidates many of the younger fans-folk metal is the safe alternative.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Oct 16,2009 3:26am
Many of the younger fans need to feel the flames of my ovens.



toggletoggle post by Snowden at Oct 16,2009 11:25am
BSV said[orig][quote]
you can't tell me that the average folk metal listener appreciates the early black metal style. raw production and praise of satan is something that intimidates many of the younger fans-folk metal is the safe alternative.


I'm just saying that the two things sound totally different, and I don't think it makes sense to claim that one is a watered-down version of the other. Although they talked about Norse culture etc. a lot, early black metal bands took very little actual musical influence directly from folk music, and definitely way less than folk-metal bands do. It's like comparing apples and oranges.



toggletoggle post by Snowden at Oct 16,2009 11:29am
JimboarNLI said[orig][quote]
Snowden said[orig][quote]
lot of North American folk music didn't even have chords until it started to become commercialized in the 20s-30s.


... Yea, then triplets came in the 30s and shortly after, accents in the 40s


Yeah, listening to some stuff from the 20s (or later revivalists) it's not always obvious what key or time they're playing in, let alone how you'd adapt it to a 5-piece metal band.



toggletoggle post by ouchdrummer   at Oct 16,2009 12:14pm
sorry to tell ya.... but, I was being VERY... VERY sarcastic...



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Oct 16,2009 12:18pm
I'm still baffled that no one mentioned how funny that picture is in the first post.
Dude on the left looks like a complete tool, and the dude sitting down looks way out of place.
I know some bands aren't meant to be taken seriously, but come on..



toggletoggle post by Snowden at Oct 16,2009 12:39pm
ouchdrummer said[orig][quote]
sorry to tell ya.... but, I was being VERY... VERY sarcastic...


I thought you were talking about jazz or something. What's the joke?



toggletoggle post by ouchdrummer   at Oct 16,2009 1:20pm
Snowden said[orig][quote]
ouchdrummer said[orig][quote]
sorry to tell ya.... but, I was being VERY... VERY sarcastic...


I thought you were talking about jazz or something. What's the joke?


The joke was this: You were stating that they didn't use chords until a certain time. I thought this was a silly thing to say, as chords are literally more than one note played at the same time, and people have been doing that since it was possible. SO... my joke was that people didn't start using triplets and accents till years after that.... which was an equally silly comment, as people have been playing music with triplets and accents since the beginnings of music.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Oct 16,2009 1:22pm
pirate metal, bah. i can only think of one song that ever made me think about pirates, and that's "Fiskarens Fiende" by Finntroll.



toggletoggle post by Snowden at Oct 16,2009 2:34pm
ouchdrummer said[orig][quote]
The joke was this: You were stating that they didn't use chords until a certain time. I thought this was a silly thing to say, as chords are literally more than one note played at the same time, and people have been doing that since it was possible.


But...I wasn't talking about "people," I said that North American folk music didn't generally use chords until it started to be influenced by commercial music. I mean, obviously there were different traditions so maybe that was too broad a generalization, is that what you meant?

Anyhow, there were many regions of North America where folk music used to be most often performed by a single melody instrument or voice, or maybe two melody instruments playing in unison. There are still commonly played tunes that don't fit into chords (without making them sound like jazz), which used to drive me nuts when I played bass at old-time jam sessions.

I can't tell if you're trying to discuss this or just busting my balls though.



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