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returntothepit >> discuss >> Science proves race exists by Conservationist on Mar 31,2008 9:36pm
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toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Mar 31,2008 9:36pm

The most frequent Y-haplogroups were found to be E1a for African Americans and R1b for U.S. Caucasians. The percentage of admixture of Caucasian Y-haplogroups in the African American samples was slightly more than 30%. Frequency of African markers in the Caucasian samples was less than 5%.

http://dienekes.50webs.com/blog/archives/000621.html


Slavery, an ongoing travesty. I find it awesome they can track DNA like this. What's even scarier is that they find heritage mixes without using DNA:


"I've seen thousands of skulls. I know what a typical black male and
a typical American Indian male and a typical Caucasoid male looks
like. And females. The way I work it only takes three or four minutes
of looking at the skull. The way I use this program, I go ahead and
take the measurements and put them in here. And if the computer and I
agree, then I'm home free."

When the numbers are all in, he clicks "process" and the program
checks his measurements against several hundred skulls -- many less
than Snow has analyzed himself -- in a database managed by forensic
anthropologists at the University of Tennessee.

The results come back in seconds. "American Indian male. And it's 86
percent positive."

http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2004c/073004/073004a.php


There are other possibilities: will we be able to tell by head size and cranial displacement caste at some point? Could we use this technology to re-unite African-Americans with long-displaced African families, and partially undo the horrors of slavery?

And now, researchers affirm the importance of race as a scientific and medical category:


As the human
genome was mapped in 2000, Francis Collins, the head of the publicly
funded project, together with his privately funded rival, announced
that humans were 99.9 percent the same at the level of their genome.
That same year, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) began a
research program on pharmacogenetics that would exploit the .01
percent of human genetic difference, increasingly understood in
racial terms, to advance the field of pharmacy. First, this article
addresses Collins' summary of what he called the \'vigorous debate' on
the relationship between race and genetics in the open-access special
issue of Nature Genetics entitled \'Genetics for the Human Race' in
2004. Second, it examines the most vexed (if not always openly
stated) issue at stake in the debate: that many geneticists today
work with the assumption that human biology differs by race as it is
conceived through American census categories. It then presents
interviews with researchers in two collaborating US laboratories who
collect and organize DNA by American notions of \'race/ethnicity' and
assume that US race categories of classification largely traduce
human biogenetic difference. It concludes that race is a practical
and conceptual tool whose utility and function is often taken for
granted rather than rigorously assessed and that \'rational medicine'
cannot precede a rational approach to addressing the nature of racial
disparities, difference and inequality in health and society more
broadly.

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?aid=1032924


Some more interesting information here:

http://www.goodrumj.com/RFaqHTML.html

It seems to me that most of us anti-racists (all of you reading this are anti-racists, or you can fuck off forever) try to deny that race exists as a means to destroy racism. It seems to me however that scientific knowledge is very clear on this topic: race exists, with some overlap from interbreeding. For this reason, we should probably attack racism itself on the basis of its moral wrongness, instead of trying to argue that race doesn't exist and therefore racism is scientifically illogical. It's not unscientific, it's just illogical, immoral, sadistic, pejorative, supercilious and so on.

(From Anti-Racist Nationalists)



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Mar 31,2008 11:26pm
It's the superciliousness that gets me.



toggletoggle post by Y_Ddraig_Goch  at Mar 31,2008 11:49pm
anti racist nationalist

there's a nation of anti-racists as the main race?


Race is important because it supports culture which fosters diversity, which helps keep the world from total corporate domination...which is why the grey-race is our slow undoing of western freedom loving values...I mean western as in ancient Greek



toggletoggle post by fleshfries at Apr 1,2008 6:33am
I heard that in Georgia, if you're 1/8 Black, you're considered black, but in Florida, if you're 1/16 black, you're fully black...funny what a walk over a border can do.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Aug 21,2008 7:35pm
DestroyYouAlot said[orig][quote]
It's the superciliousness that gets me.


Do we prefer fake humility now?

That's what you get with most people. Others are more forthright.

I know which one I prefer. Do you?



toggletoggle post by Joe Christianni at Aug 21,2008 9:23pm
fleshfries said[orig][quote]
I heard that in Georgia, if you're 1/8 Black, you're considered black, but in Florida, if you're 1/16 black, you're fully black...funny what a walk over a border can do.


My mom says there's a lot of black people in Africa



toggletoggle post by revobass at Aug 21,2008 10:24pm
Race is a pretty useless concept, imo. Judge a person/culture based upon their actions and customs, not what you perceive to be their genetic heritage.

And while there is science that certainly supports the idea of racial distinction, it's hardly a consensus in the scientific world that race is a useful or even applicable distinction. I would put in the effort to actually dig out the research articles I read about this when I had a seminar about it a couple of years back, but this is just an internet messageboard and I'm lazy.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Aug 21,2008 11:40pm
revobass said[orig][quote]
Judge a person/culture based upon their actions and customs, not what you perceive to be their genetic heritage.


Why judge at all?



toggletoggle post by revobass at Aug 22,2008 7:31am
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
revobass said[orig][quote]
Judge a person/culture based upon their actions and customs, not what you perceive to be their genetic heritage.


Why judge at all?


Because it is inevitable.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Aug 22,2008 8:44am
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
R1b
have you ever tried to get a R1b away from a black man?



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