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returntothepit >> discuss >> Interesting read..... by Hoser on Jan 9,2007 3:48pm
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toggletoggle post by Hoser at Jan 9,2007 3:48pm

Very interesting read. Sad if its true.

How Long Does USA Have? About the time our original thirteen states
adopted
their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history
professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall
of
the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a

permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up
until
the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts
from
the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for
the
candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with
the
result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal
policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the
beginning of
history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, those nations

always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:
Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143
million
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush:
2,427,000
States won by: Gore: 19;
Bush: 29
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2;
Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won
was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government
welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
"complacency
and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with
some
forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the
"governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegals and they vote, then goodbye to the USA in fewer

than five years.



toggletoggle post by Niccolai   at Jan 9,2007 3:50pm
I've read on and agree with most of those things except for the average of 200 years.

according to numerous things i've read, up to 300 years a successful government is still in it's middle stages.



toggletoggle post by SlavonicIdentity at Jan 9,2007 3:51pm
Where'd you find this?



toggletoggle post by eddie  at Jan 9,2007 3:56pm
nothing lasts forever



toggletoggle post by Troll at Jan 9,2007 4:06pm
that article takes the words right out of my mouth.




toggletoggle post by horror_tang  at Jan 9,2007 4:18pm
Reading is gay.



toggletoggle post by Troll at Jan 9,2007 4:23pm edited Jan 9,2007 4:23pm
yep



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jan 9,2007 4:27pm
i'm sure i'll be dead before any of the real bad stuff goes down.



toggletoggle post by dyingmuse   at Jan 9,2007 4:31pm
I agree with the later half of that shit.



toggletoggle post by Hoser at Jan 9,2007 6:44pm
Reading is FUN!!



toggletoggle post by retzam at Jan 9,2007 7:47pm
I think we're being a little optimistic in thinking we (the world I mean) can delay blowing ourselves up long enough for a collapse of democracy in the US to occur.



toggletoggle post by yummy at Jan 9,2007 9:43pm
That is an interesting read, nonetheless. Whether it's possible or not.



toggletoggle post by MikePile at Jan 9,2007 10:44pm
That's right folx, there's five years left for the USA and it's all the liberals fault! OH WAIT

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp

OOPS



toggletoggle post by Hoser at Jan 9,2007 10:51pm
As I said, "Sad if it's true", but a good read nonetheless.



toggletoggle post by powerkok   at Jan 9,2007 10:57pm edited Jan 9,2007 10:58pm
Oh hi pal.
Hows it?
Practice should be fun tomorrow.....
http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=37309



toggletoggle post by miscegenator at Jan 10,2007 12:16am
All democracies collapse this way. The original quote was from Plato, and more complicated.



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