That guy is my new hero.

General Black Jack Pershing For President!

i remember you telling me this story
cool you have this

Yeah, that's what we need, more genocidal racists. At least do a little research before you glorify someone.
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Filipinos thought that the Americans were there to help them kick out the Spanish and end 400 years of repression. After fruitless attempts to negotiate, however, the reality of the US intention became clear. The Filipinos were forced to acknowledge that the Americans intended to replace the Spanish as the colonial rulers. In The Philippines Reader, Daniel Schirmer and Stephen Shalom provide first hand accounts of this period. On February 5, 1899 Philippine President Emilio Aguinaldo urged his people to fight in response to the "outbreak of hostilities between the Philippine forces and the American forces of occupation, (which were) unjustly and unexpectedly provoked by the latter.... The constant outrages and taunts, which have caused the misery of the people...and finally the useless conferences and contempt shown the Philippine government prove the premeditated transgression of justice and liberty."

The American reaction was swift and the slaughter by US forces is legendary. Philippine scholar Luziminda Francisco refers to that brutal imperial American war that launched the 20th century as the "first Vietnam War" in which estimates of from 600,000 to a million Filipinos died.

jeesh you're so smart. go shit in a hat. everyone is entitled to an opinion.

that is absolutely fucking awesome.

that guy rules

hanlon666 said:

Obviously someone like this committed some horriffic acts as well as useful ones. The ideology of that time was one of imperialism and not easy to assimilate with today.

But when we are met with "genocidal racism" of the Muslim world against us, why not retaliate with the same mentality? I find the General's treatment of the 50 extremist prisoners creatively brutal. How else do you create a deterrent for people who are willing to die (suicide bombing, etc.)?

my thoughts exactly.

The "ideology of that time" was not imperialism, many americans spoke out from all sorts of politcal persuasions spoke out aginst the Philippine-American war as well as the "white man's burden" ideology that it stemmed from.

I don't think anyone here supports Islamic terrorism, I am simply saying that perhaps had the US Government not applied the same imperialist ideology during this century perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess, our methods haven't changed maybe its time they should.

As far as a deterrent for fanatics, why not promote a standard of living and education that will give people a reason to live rather than a cause to die for. Religious extremism goes hand in hand with poverty and desperation, much of which we are largely responsible for. Look at Afghanistan or Iran, these were stable countries, Iran was governed by a secular nationalist until he was overthrown by the US government, and Afghanistan was a stable monarchy until the proxy war between the US and the USSR that utterly destroyed it.

Do you mean Iraq, not Iran? And Afghanistan has not been stable for years -- look at the bullshit with the Soviets not that long ago.

And I agree, the "war" in Iraq is a waste of time and American lives.

i'm off to write asong about this guy

hanlon is talking about afghanistan US vs USSR as the downfall of that country. it's pretty widely accepted that we fucked up there...
since we armed/trained mujahadin fighters (like a young osama) there.

No, Iran. Iraq has been a mess since its creation. Afghanistan was a stable, and relaitively westernized monarchy between 1933-1973 until the US/USSR proxy war that tore the country apart, that is what I was referring to in the last paragraph of my previous topic.

the rev is correct, the chronolgy of the posts is a little wacky now, I was responding to largefreakatzero

Point taken. Bottom line, I still like the pig's blood idea.

It is creative and sort of bad ass in a that's cool on a message board type of way, like it would be cool if Rambo did it or something, but the idea that the US military is probably only a step or two away from actually employing the idea, and that the citizenry will accept in is a little scary to me.

When the terrorists had the two American hostages and the British guy,,my mother said we should give them 6 hours to release the prisoners or there will be a pig blood carpet bombing in Bhagdad and Falujah.

hanlon666 said:

US politics are not responsible for terrorists actions. Stupidity ,insanity and the koran is.

Its time to bring out the pig blood super soakers.

Jack Black Pershing rules

this man is a true fuckin hero...we should bulid statues of him all over..this man is my new role model..fuck the muslims

The U.s is way to easy on Islamic prisoners let the dogs tear em up

typical nazi metalheads.

I enjoy farts that smell like trash.

clearly. Hey Hose-man, check out my songs dude, no Van Halen, but you'll dig it. I posted them earlier or check my NICK.

i raise my beer for this man \m/

I think hanlon is pretty.

Interesting

Bush wouldn't allow that, infact no one in our Government has the testicular fortitude to give such an order. The U.N. would get mad at us, and to the pussies who run our country, that is worse than a 9/11 encore

On the one hand it's fucked up, on the other, as a tactic of war, in a historical light, it can be admired for its effectiveness. I doubt the Muslims involved had much in common ideologically with Al Qaeda though.

hanlon666 said:

But, he killed pigs! That's wicked br00tal, d00d!

No, seriously, creative idea, and I guess if you're gonna fight, fight dirty - but fuck this guy. And while you're at it, fuck Woodrow Wilson in his dead ass. (Anybody know Woodie Guthrie was named after Woodrow Wilson, BTW? There's some irony for ya.)

bump

Jack Pershing is pretty much the coolest person to have ever lived. Where was the ACLU to tell him that he was using cruel and unusual punishment on them innocent arabs as he blatently violated their civil right to worship as they please? Where was the fat Teddy K's to say that those muslims were mistreated and detained without being accused of anything. This shit makes Abu Garib and Club Gitmo look like a fuckin' luxury resort. If there wasn;t so much gayness and sympathy for our enemy in this country, something like this might be able to become a plausible option.

hahahaha
All but one was killed so that he could tell the story...
kind of like on Natural Born Killers (quite possibly the best movie ever, but thats for another day)

HungTa‘Bleed said:


Uh, okaaaayyy.

I don't think anyone at all sympathizes with the enemy. The enemy being Al-Qaeda. Unfortunately, its not Al-Qaeda we're at war with.

Bullshit. People like Fatty Teddy and Al Whore most definitely aid our enemy. you hear what Al Whore said recently about the U.S.'s enemy???
Nothing short of treason

I heard that this guy named Scooter Libby outed a CIA agent in a time of war. Good thing we have guys like that on our side, not like that treason loving douchenozzle Al Whore.

And you assume that there was ever even a 'cover' to be blown.
I heard that CIA agent was a clerk and was never a covert agent, ever....

If it was so crucial for her identity to remain unknown, explain to me how she made anything better when she posed for a magazine spread. Did she feel bad that we didn't have a face for that name that was 'dropped' ?

Hungta‘Bleed said:

You are fucking retarded if you don't see outing a NOC agent (non-offical cover) as anything less than an act of treason. It goes waaay beyond just the simple outing of Valerie Plame. This fucks with the whole system of CIA operative.
These people devote their entire lives to the CIA. Building and maintaining a cover identity in order to gain intel. They live their lives 24/7 pretending to be someone they're not. And NOCs are our mpst effective way to fight terrorism.

What do you think is going to happen when all the NOCs currently out in the field realize that they can't trust the White House to keep their identities secret? How do you think this will effect future recruiting efforts? Why would someone devote their entire life to something that can just be thrown away on the whim of a viscious and incompetent president/vice president.

I don't have time to go into more detail right now, but try thinking about a little harder.

Hungta‘Bleed said:

You are fucking retarded if you don't see outing a NOC agent (non-offical cover) as anything less than an act of treason. It goes waaay beyond just the simple outing of Valerie Plame. This fucks with the whole system of CIA operative.
These people devote their entire lives to the CIA. Building and maintaining a cover identity in order to gain intel. They live their lives 24/7 pretending to be someone they're not. And NOCs are our mpst effective way to fight terrorism.

What do you think is going to happen when all the NOCs currently out in the field realize that they can't trust the White House to keep their identities secret? How do you think this will effect future recruiting efforts? Why would someone devote their entire life to something that can just be thrown away on the whim of a viscious and incompetent president/vice president.

I don't have time to go into more detail right now, but try thinking about a little harder.

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

I'm still waiting for an answer to this question, it would be nice if the conservatives didn't cut and run everytime I post this.

Josh_Martin said:

You obviously lack reading comprehension skills. I didn't say it wasn't treasonous. What's worse though? 'Dropping' the name of a non covert operative or Al Whore lying to a crown at a speech in Saudi Arabia saying that Arab-Americans had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and held in "unforgivable" conditions.

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

If you think making someone strip naked and put panties on their head while being barked at by a dog is torture, your a pussy. Secondly, the U.S. government has had the authority to WIRETAP ANY MOTHERFUCKING PERSON THEY GODDAMN PLEASE IF THEY ARE BELIEVED TO BE INVOLVED IN ORGANIZED CRIME. Why do you oppose them wiretapping suspected Al-Qaeda terrorists?? If they can 'illegally' wiretap to catch the Whitey bulgers of the world (in which they do 'illegally wiretap' them to bring indictments) why is there so much resistance to wiretapping suspected terrorists?
You must think you are one pretty fucking important person if you think for one minute that the government is taking its time to check out what BobNOMAAMRooney is up to.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_jack_pershing.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._Pershing

this is an urbanlegend about a real dude.

Maybe the Mythbusters will take on this as a challenge.

I do not think that the government is using our time to watch me, but when citizens give governments free reign to fight abstract concepts the government will always abuse that power. It is the citizens job to police the government and make elected officials work for us, not to shut up and cheer on the war effort.

If you think that we should not question the government we elected and pay for you are a complete pussy, cowed into believing that your government cares enough to protect you from scary foreigners. Do you still sleep with a nighlight? (SEE WHAT I DID THAR? QUESTIONED YUR MANHOOD TO SHOW THAT I AM NOT A PUSSY LIBERAL OMZGGZ I AM WINNING AT THE INTERNETZ)

I wish I had a witty retort about your Whitey Bulger line with his prison address like I had with Ramzi Yousef's but it turns out all the wiretapping that was done legally with a warrant failed to bring him to justice.

I mean, HAHAHAHA I DERAILED THIS THREAD TAKE THAT YOU FAGGOT CONSERVATIVE PANSIES!

Besides you missed the question entirely: Aside from blind political allegiance what makes you guys think this administration will not or is not abusing its powers in wiretapping and torturing innocent people?

Not, IS PUTTING PANTIES ON ARABS HEADS TORTURE? Not, IS WIRETAPPING AL QAEDA COOL OR NOT?

Aside from blind political allegiance what makes you guys think this administration will not or is not abusing its powers in wiretapping and torturing innocent people?

he's a flip flopper!!!!!!!!!

WHAT THE FUCK JOSH!???!!?!?!?! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A METAL BOARD!!!!

wow, that guy was a total asshole...and he wasted 2 pigs that someone could've eaten. Fighting fire with fire has gotten us so far hasn't it? Just like the death penalty is really a big deterrant for murder right? I mean shit, there are never murders here in the U.S...let's start suicide bombing the world so they'll stop getting in the way of our quest for world dominance

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

Goddamnit!!!!! Ban this sonnovabitch now Rev. Your liberal Jewish media filth has sown the seeds for ultimate destruction. And STOP talking about Hockey.

bump, I hope HTB isn't gonna have his girlfriend do all his dirty work again.

hanlon666 said:

hanlon666 said:

Jews lie so much I never trust them as authors.

Fanatical Christians aren't trusthworthy either.

Rather than that stupid urban legend General Pershing should be remembered for his total failure to capture Pancho Villa with a force of 10,000 soldiers.

AND HIS MANY FAILURES IN WWI

<3 THE KAISER

Typical conservative cut n run politics, to scared to finish the bullshit they start.