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:	post by Bestial Onslaught at 2004-08-08 07:55:22

The problem with this whole topic is that a lot of people who are from the hardcore scene or listen to a lot of the bigger (Century Media/Metal Blade) type bands is that they have a much much less honed sense of what really falls into the category of metal or not. I'm certainly not against all bands that mix genres, and I don't care if it's called Metalcore, Crossover, whatever, though modern Metalcore has certainly come to represent some more specific styles.

As for the breakdowns, it depends on what you consider "groove" or "breakdowns" to be exactly... Metal bands have always used slow and mid-paced sections to counterpoint the speedier stuff, but a lot of the grooves in modern hardcore and metalcore are based on rhythms more reminiscent of the street, and rap, which I think had a lot of impact on the hardcore scene's transition from the 80's to 90's... For example, that's why I have trouble considering a band like Skinless to be a Death Metal band, when there are beats that are certainly taken from 90's hardcore, so to me that'd fall more under the banner of Metalcore/Death Metalcore... Metal breakdowns have traditionally relied on either rhythmic, blues change ups (as started by SABBATH), or straight forward, 4/4 aggressive riffs (Thrash stuff like early-to-mid era KREATOR comes to mind) - Or some combination thereof (like many of the mid-paced MORBID ANGEL tracks)...

Of course there's a lot of crossover in every direction, since newer Hardcore bands still take influence from old Thrash, since modern Death Metal is filled with influences passed down from Hardcore through Grind, since even Black Metal bands in the early 90's began to blast a lot (not taking directly from early Grind, but still being influenced by the general push towards faster and faster drumming in all extreme music).

So it really depends on who you're talking to - someone who thinks SOILWORK and KILLSWITCH ENGAGE are the hottest things on the block might not be so accurate in their appraisals, but then again, over-defensive, jaded assholes like myself are sometimes perhaps too nitpicky about genre distinction - but I guess I feel entitled to be, since I have invested so much time and so much of myself into absorbing the history of metal. I'll listen to anything that sounds good, but mislabeling is a big pet peeve of mine, especially when it comes to the music I spend most of my time listening to...

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