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:	post by hey at 2004-08-02 01:01:55

few things:
shadows fall is a metal band.
all that remains is most definitely a metalcore band. they have it in thier ethic too.
that fear factory comment is sorta ridiculous
embrace today to alot of "hardcore" kids are very metal. most of those dudes in that band are way into metal and were before they got into hardcore (ive read this in interviews) while they def are a staple in the hardcore scene, they are very metallic.

shit like madball to me is metallic hardcore. same with hatebreed.

just like the divisions of hardcore (metallic hardcore, tough guy hardcore, posi hardcore, melodic hardcore, etc) metalcore has many categories. all that remains for example, while they take minute long chunks out of songs to add solos, they def have hardcore grooves, ethic, and vocals. then you have bands like converge, poison the well, and a life once lost. all bands that fall under the metalcore umbrella, but all who have distinct sounds.

this is all just my opinion though. feel free to comment on it.

one more thing maybe you guys can comment on. ive always been in the middle of the road for lamb of god. i mean, they are straight up metal in so many aspects, but they so have the core elements and ethics. randy is always talking about the cro mags and shit like that, bringing the "wall of death" to the masses (which i consider funny, cause all the ozzfest kids probably think they invented it) what would you guys consider them?

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