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:	post by DrinkHardThrashHard at 2005-10-23 19:02:28

ArrowHead said:

Also, Kiske was not and never will be into metal. It's not that he had OTHER influences that weren't metal, he just doesn't listen to metal. That's why he was booted in the first place, he wanted to turn Helloween into a pop band, a.k.a. - Pink Bubbles Go Ape. If you hear his new band, it's 100% pop music. If you check out the "I want out live" e.p., he even breaks down into doing Elvis impressions during "Future World". Kiske was a great singer, and definately sang on Helloweens best materials, but if you listen to the two versions of "Victim of Fate", Kai Hansen singing the original or Kiske's version on the Dr. Stein e.p., Kai Hansen was by far the better vocalist for Helloween. I will disagree with you however, that Kiske definately had a much larger range than Hansen.

I'm with you on James Labrie 100%!!!! Arguing like this is moot since we both dislike Tarja to begin with, but I must disagree with you again and provide some factual basis here that Kiske was into metal in those days:

Michael Kiske was in a metal band called Ill Prophecy before Helloween (at least one Helloween song came with Kiske from Ill Prophecy). If he had no interest in metal he wouldn't have been in two metal bands in a row. If you listen to his two post-Helloween solo records like 'Instant Clarity', there are still some metal touches, though scarsely (as you said, he is a fan of more than just metal). The only pure 'pop' album (which really isn't pop) that he has is 'Readiness to Sacrifice', which is more like mellow rock with some orchestration. I'm also pretty sure I've got an old 'zine where he's wearing a Maiden shirt, I will try and find it.

Also, Kiske appears on records by Avantasia, Aina, Gamma Ray, Edguy, Tribuzy, Thalion, and Place Vendome...that's a lot of metal appearances for a guy who doesn't like metal at all, would you say?

It is only recently that Kiske says he will write no more hard rock (metal, hard rock...whatever) songs from his website (this past April):

"My personal understanding of free art and my human ideals are pretty much the total opposite to what this scene idealizes most of the time. And as a songwriter, I will write no more hard rock songs in the future. I discovered that I have to do things different now; my own music has got to speak a different language, and it will. But I still have a heart for intelligent rock music sometimes."

Here's another Kiske quote from an interview (Noise Records 2002):

"Yes and no! Depends on your definition. Some songs have a Metal sound just more modern, but others certainly don’t have that sound. To be honest: Only people with a little wider horizon and musical understanding than just Metal will be able to follow this record. Metal records don’t satisfy me anymore. I’ve done that! Let’s move on!"

See? He definitely liked metal at some point, and even claims one of his solo albums has a modern metal sound.

"I don't really know them. I don't care much about the Metal scene anymore. I find other bands and musical directions much more interesting today. The Metal scene isn't what it was in the eighties."

Again, Kiske implying he was into the metal scene in the eighties but doesn't follow it now. I also agree with you in liking Kai's vocals on certain songs better. I actually do believe Kai has just as much of a range as Kiske, you just need to dig through the later Gamma Ray discs when he started singing to find them. I always found his more nasally approach a little more interesting than Kiske, who to me sounded like Geoff Tate with a German inflection (and 3 of the Queensryche albums did come out before Keeper Part I).

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