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:	post by Josh_Martin at 2004-11-19 17:05:06

JayTUS said:

I am glad you brought this up.

I am sure there are tons of small labels that do this, but how long do they last? And if they last, how comfortable do they live? Are they able to have a home and a car and not have to work a 9 to 5 or a part time job to pay the bills? If they do this and that's cool with them, then awesome, I'm never going to question that and it's cool that there are people like that, but in the grand scheme of things their audience is smaller and there's only so much they can do, for obvious reasons.

Well, I've managed to go on a tour every year since 1996 and I haven't made any money worth talking about. Apparantly you've never heard of a DAY JOB.

JayTUS said:

Now what I find absolutely hilarious is the fact that you were stupid enough to write

"Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about?"

and then have the idiocy to start saying I don't know anything. Now genius, if a band is touring and not making money constantly, how long is that going to last? What happens next? Do their debts magically disappear? Does the Heavy Metal Fairy come around and leave pay their bills and leave the recipts under their pillows? Use your fucking brain dumbass. The #1 reason why bands don't last is because they can't afford to. End of story. Now if money wasn't such a big deal that wouldn't be a problem, now would it?

Again, that's what day jobs are for, you complete moron. Fuck any band that forms with the intention of making a living off the music. If it happens anyways, good for them, but if that is the intent, they are playing gay fucking music.

JayTUS said:

Did I ever sit here and say I liked every band that played? No, absolutely not, and no one ever will. The point I am making is that everyone has a different opinion. What do the names Watchmaker and Kevorkian's Angels mean to anyone that doesn't post on this message board? Odds are, not much. That's not to take anything away from those bands, but let's be honest, in the grand scheme of things they are no better than any of the look hardcore or metalcore bands that get booked. I'm all for bands like that getting on the show, but it all comes down to who Scott likes and wants on the show. Joe refuses to book metalcore bands because he hates metalcore. No one questions his motivations (and I am not either).

And as for the European Fest thing, let's break this down to the bare basics. You are comparing Wacken Open Air to New England Hardcore and Metal. What is the BIGGEST and most OBVIOUS difference between the two? Could it be LOTS of people? They can AFFORD to fly in just about anyone they want to. Obviously all the major ones can. But the smaller ones take touring American bands just like any other fest does. I've done plenty of interviews with bands that hit fests on their tour. So I am definitely not off base. When America has its own version of Wacken Open Air, just let me know so we can actually compare the two...

I brought up Wacken because you said giant european festivals need a Slipknot or Metallica to pull in the huge crowds and I was just proving you wrong. You didn't score too well on reading comprehension did you.

Like what you want to like. It just sucks for real metalheads when the state of the scene is represented by the metalcore garbage that plays the metalfest every year. Its just like in the 80's when the supposed Headbangers Ball played 95% Britany Fox and Warrant.