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:	post by The Taste Of Cigarettes at 2004-09-18 22:52:20

WyrmFingerz said:

i don't think the fans and performers think it is as much "cool" to fit into a certain scene as is it to enjoy the music. metal seems to be music first, message second as opposed to the aforementioned genres being message first, music second (...maybe third).

in my humble and simultaneously educated elitist opinion, punk and hardcore are easier to listen to than metal. there's a lot less going on musically, which tends to not insult listeners' intelligence.
i am speaking generally here, folks, remember that. As does power metal, punk and hardcore vocalists are generally of a clearer sort, much easier to achieve the primary goal of "message first" when you can actually understand the fellow. I believe that this attracts listeners that may be less interested in the music but still seem to want to fit into a certain scene. The less work someone has to do, the better, right? Vocals are the main turnoff to most listeners, and face it, most genres of metal have pretty gross vocalists to the unjaded ear. It doesn't matter if you have Steve Vai as your guitarist, if you've got a vocalist yelling about his emo-homo-satano-ovolacto ethos, most listeners will ask, "Steve who?"

... peasants... pfft.

that makes sense, to me, actually. I agree that metal has always been a haven for those that are focused on something more than belonging. Early metalheads were shunned, often the D&D kids left by the wayside. Look at Ozzy, guy was a fucktard and a total hooligan in his teens. But then he goes on to make one of the most influential metal bands of the 70's/80's.

do you think subculture is important? I mean eventually the people who like more technically involved music with mutilated vocals will begin to relate on that topic, and then look for other things in common. Eventually they'll be friends and circles of friends like in othe genres of music. Do you think that the misanthropy of metal will keep cliques and trends from inbreeding, or do you think it is an inevitable outcome of anything that brings people together? Do you think community is very against the ethics of metal, or that it is potentially a part of it if viewed in a certain light?

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